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Justin Ross's avatar

Very cool. Hadn't heard this. A new and encouraging angle on the whole "don't just take the opportunities life gives you, create your own" kind of thing.

Marcus Seldon's avatar

Thanks for reminding me of this, I had forgotten it. It's a fun problem.

The takeaway that asking is often advantageous seems correct to me, and most people should probably ask for things more than they do. I had to learn this even in platonic social life. I used to be terrified of organizing events, but I realized that people usually say yes if you go to the trouble of organizing something.

That said, I think real-life is way more complicated (I'm sure you'd agree), and there are situations where being an asker may be suboptimal all things considered!

Something I've seen a lot of women report is that asking men out often leads to men saying 'yes' because being asked out is flattering and novel for them, but they don't put in much effort because they're not super interested, and often lose interested completely fairly quickly. They wouldn't have asked her out on their own. Of course, this comes with the cost of starting to get invested in someone for weeks or months only for them to bail. Given social norms on who asks whom out, I think "if he was interested, he would" is correct most of the time for straight women, unfortunately*. Not 100% of the time, but often enough that asking out men all the time might not have enough likelihood of success to be worth the downsides.

Another downside of being an asker, not just in a dating context, is you risk exposing yourself to much more rejection. Now yes, this isn't rational to care about in spherical cow land because being explicitly rejected after asking has the same outcome as being passively rejected. But it's psychologically much more difficult to face explicit rejection after asking, and if it happens often enough it's probably not great for your mental health. And poor mental health negatively impacts your ability to achieve your goal. This is the experience of most men on the dating apps.

(I know you talked about this in point 12, but I think you underrate it honestly. I think people can become more resilient to rejection to a point, but I think most will still be hurt by it. I'm also not sure not caring about rejection as much is an autistic thing, it seems orthogonal to that to me. Neurodivergence often is paired with social anxiety in practice.)

Finally, I think a big downside of being an asker is you're always wondering if you could have done better or missed an opportunity. When you're more passive, you simply pick the best option offered to you, and then that's that. I think many people find that position more comfortable and easier to cope with.

*I think this is less true in social circles with lots of shy and/or neurodivergent nerds, where many men might nervous or unsure how to express interest, but that's not most people's circles!

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